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Microsoft Appeals Injunction That Would Force Inclusion of Sun Technology in Microsoft Products
Microsoft Appeals Injunction That Would Force Inclusion of Sun Technology in Microsoft Products

(February 13, 2003) - On February 12, Microsoft filed a brief with the United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit in Richmond, Va., asking the court to vacate the Jan. 21 preliminary injunction issued by the U.S. District Court in Baltimore, Md., which would have required Microsoft to ship Sun Microsystem's Java technology in certain Microsoft products. The Court of Appeals has already stayed that injunction on Feb. 4.

The basis for Microsoft's appeal is that Sun failed to prove immediate and irreparable harm, a standard required for preliminary injunctions. Sun plans a response to Microsoft's appeal by March 7, and Microsoft would then have until March 18 to counter the response. Sun maintains that Microsoft is attempting to create a monopoly by distributing outdated versions of Java that are incompatible for Windows users.

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It's just that Microsoft is mad becuase they tried to embrace/extend/extinguish, but the java genie is out of the bottle and they can't put it back in the bottle. Come on, let the public decide. The one that is better will win. Personally I hope the battle continues. Forcing MS to put java in windows levels the playing field so they can battle it out. Competition keeps both sides honest. One won't give you the shaft if they know the other will step in and treat you better. Competition also breeds innovation. Each side feels they have to one up the other by doing a better job. You better think twice before you say let Bill have his way. If java isn't there to battle the giant then who will? Oh yeah, there will be others to step up to the plate, but it may take years to develop anything that can compete. Meanwhile you will be paying MS a percentage to access each and every web page on the internet. How much do you want to pay today?

Ford, GM, Honda, Chrylsler,Toyota - There are a number of competitors in the auto world. Microsoft was GIVEN a monopoly on the desktop and abused the priviledge. The ruling is to try to allow a competitor to stay in the market and allow the market to decide instead of a company. The only way we get innovation in the PC desktop marketplace is when a company comes up with an idea MS worries about and they buy the company and incorporate the idea. (That is unless they think they can steal the idea and win in court.)

I'm not an old timer, I learned java in school with jdk1.1.4 and have only been doing it professionally for about 3 years, but I am so tired of whining java nuts that I am ready to just move to the microsoft camp. Maybe the solution is for Microsoft to not ship any version of the jre... oh wait, they tried that and all the whiners kept whining. As David pointed out, if you are using the version of the jre that is shipped with the OS, you must have a trivial application. Can't sun start looking forward instead of backward? Can you imagine the money they have sunk in lawyers that they could have put into making the language better, or giving us something to write a decent ui with or just put in the bank?

We have several applications already deployed on windows using Java. To make this work we have had to test and certify on specific versions of Java and versions of 3rd Party jars.

Our experience is that the newer releases of the JRE and 3rd party jars frequently provide little backwards compatability. Usually we have to obtainn a newer version of a 3rd Party Jar and perform some re-development to move a version of the JRE forward. Due to this we have established a platform which includes a specific version of the SUN JRE and 3rd party jars.

I'm convinced that others have experienced this as well.

If Microsoft is forced to ship the SUN JRE, it will most likely not be the one that I have currently certified. I'm convinced that my already deployed applications will be broken and that my support costs will be high to fix the issue on each user workstation.

I think that this will hurt Java. Giving it a very bad reputation.

David

Sun is trying to force their stinkin' software into Windows! What, are you guys nuts?

Should Chevrolet be allowed to force their radio into Ford vehicles??

I'm going to own Sun before this is done. Microsoft Java has a nice ring to it. What do you think?

Get AOL to put it on those millions of useless CDs so we can finally use them for something.
In fact, all kinds of useful semi-free stuff could go on them, we could use AOL's CD distribution arm as a distribution arm for useful stuff. Maybe people would be less fed up with their snailmail being full of AOL's junk.

If Microsoft can be given time, so should the weapons inspectors. After all it's only natural that any company or goverment will use delaying tactics to stop what the see as grave intrusion!

Microsoft should be fined about $100 billion for the damage their illegal actions have done to smaller companies that have much better technology. In the process, and as a result, users have been deprived of better technology.




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