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Microsoft Can Outspend Sun Tenfold & On Anything Says Father of Java
Microsoft Can Outspend Sun Tenfold & On Anything Says Father of Java

(September 27, 2002) - James Gosling concedes in a press interview this week that the sheer profitability of archrival Microsoft Corporation gives them a 10-to-1 spending advantage.

"They can outspend us on anything," says Gosling.

Asked whether Jonathan Schwartz's recent appointment as Executive Vice-President of Sun's new Software Group was likely to alter the course of Java in any significant way, Gosling is upbeat, speculating that Schwartz's team's commitment to "exploit the synergies" between the three legs of Sun's software effort - Solaris, Java, and the product world - "should be interesting" since the three elements had never before been brought together.

"The thing that has been changing," Gosling says, "has been Sun's increasing focus on software, and increasing commitment to software."

Asked about Web services, the Father of Java repeats the well-known stance that he already took when keynoting at Web Services Edge 2001 (East) in New York City last year. "People have been building Web services under different names for 20 or 30 years," he explains. "We've been building distributed systems for years out using CORBA and RMI and all of that."

On the subject of XML he remarks: "One of the descriptions of XML is that it is HTML for a silicon-based life form. . . .But as a matter of common practice, people haven't been doing a lot of interconnection between disjointed organizations that also are distributed."

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To the guy who has 10 years consulting experience ... I really think it is petty to mention your years experience because it does not make you like you have a vast about of knowledge.

The fact is you have yet to use Java so how can you have an opinion. Stick to what you know and I'm hoping that you have used Microsoft at least or is it OS2 and Notes!

PS Microsoft has the money but NOT the brains otherwise it would not copy the Java API!

I believe so.. I have been a consultant, IT programmer/developer for the past 10 years.. never had an intense need to use Sun's products like Java or Solaris or even Sun SPARC based hardware..

I have heard a few people say that OS2 was a true 32-bit OS.. and also NOTES as the true groupware product.. and also Informix as a true RDBMS..

Honestly, if it is 80% right, it would work in most situations unless you're a NASA or engaged in defense research..

Microsoft rocks.. its products deliver..that's the simple truth..

Well, yes, I've really used the IBM stuff -- extensively.

Frankly it's not bad most of the time, and occasionally

It's also missing a low end component (the
appserver starts at 7K and the IDE at 2) which
is a real problem, but doesn't undercut the
fact that they're good at what they do.

When I began in the industry (1980 or so) I worked
in the DEC arena, and we used to joke with some
justice that you could tell an IBM rep because he
pulled his jacket on over his dorsal fin each day.
None of that seems true today -- expensive, yes;
predatory no.

Microsoft, on the other hand ...

Have you actually used IBM products like DB2 and WebSphere to build applications?

World leading it is not. Self serving and driving customers to retain only their platform it is.

C'mon IBM are the biggest IT co and do hardware and software.

Infact you could argue they make the worlds best servers (Z series), the worlds best database (db2), the worlds best J2EE platform (WebSphere) ......infact if Sun's not careful there going to be totally marginalised as IBM (with Linux) take on MS for supremecy.

Off topic but isn't Sun's Linux policy so way off??

Gates Morality? - Oh please ...

Gates may be a very moral man, but this is not the issue.

The issue is should legal corporations be forced to compete with an *illegal* monopoly that has a 10:1 spending capability?

Remember: MSFT *has* been found to be guilty. The settlement is under negotiation, but the sentence is not.

Meanwhile the economy is stagnant, computer innovation is stagnant, computer jobs are decreasing in the US.

A settlement in the interest of the US economy is one that would promote competition. That's why monopolies are required to conform to more strict anti-competitive regulations.

Gates and morality form somewhat an oxymoron. I can still remember the lawsuit by Apple against Microsoft where they found Apple source code right in Microsoft's video software product...hmmm... bad morals, I guess. And the wake of bad behavior still continues.

.NET has alot of work to do. We rarely see Global 2000 that committed to .NET. Most of them are still hard-core J2EE for server-side apps and enterprise integration.

IBM proves that one company can do many things, do them well, and make a profit. That's not to say they are #1 in everything, just that they are in to just about everything and do an okay job. So Sun need not worry about diversifying.

In fact, I'm glad they have done such a good job building & promoting Java and related technologies. I just don't see where they make a profit from it. I've never understood how they could make money, except by selling servers and the long-term prospects in that field are being eaten up as the Intel/AMD CPUs improve.

Even at their current low stock price, I'm not sure Sun is a good investment. But then I picked AMD way back in 1996 and have yet to see profit on that poor investment.

Sun needs to do its own thing as fighting Microsoft head to head is a losing battle.

Java could be a grass roots programming language and platform if Sun would make it Free Software and just guide the language in a non Microsoft dominated standardization forum as they just tried to kill it anyway. Holding Java tight is killing the company.

McNealy himself in a JavaOne keynote said that companies that try to "run the gambit" and do hardware, software, and services usually fail. Sun needs to focus.

The one job the US govt needs to do with respect to businesses is enforce fair competition. They've failed miserably in the software industry. Microsoft is writes fanciful UIs on top of unsecure, unreliable garbage that people buy up, because they are too dumb to use anything else. Why not split up Microsoft and instill some fair competition. A user community we need to demand the use of standards, and demand selection. Say no to propietary solutions, select standards.

Bill Gates is a very moral man, all he wants is for the public not to steal his product.

Sun is nearly a corpse, they have made the classic mistake of thinking they are both a software and a hardware company. The shareholders take the beating for this hubris.

Look at their company: Data General, DEC, Prime, Silicon Graphics, Apollo, Integraph, not exactly stellar company.

Microsoft has successfully stayed clear of that trap, and the stockholders, the real owners of the precious capital, are grateful.

a) make sucky software that we (programmers) all have to deal with

b) engage in anti-competitive practices to the extent that they are the only company who can write any software at all

Sun should stick to what they do best, and leave software development to experts.

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